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Capitalism vs. Socialism: A Soho Forum Debate

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"Socialism is preferable to capitalism as an economic system that promotes freedom, equality, and prosperity." ------- Subscribe to our YouTube channel: /ReasonTV Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Reason.Magazine . Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/reason Subscribe to our podcast at iTunes: https://goo.gl/az3a7a Reason is the planet's leading source of news, politics, and culture from a libertarian perspective. Go to reason.com for a point of view you won't get from legacy media and old left-right opinion magazines. --------- That proposition was the subject of a November 5, 2019, debate hosted by the Soho Forum, a monthly debate series sponsored by Reason. Arguing in favor of the resolution was Richard D. Wolff, an economist at the University of Massachusetts and the author, most recently, of Understanding Marxism. Taking the other side was former Barron's economics editor Gene Epstein, who is also the Soho Forum's co-founder and director. Reason's Nick Gillespie served as moderator. It was an Oxford-style debate, in which the audience votes on the resolution at the beginning and end of the event; the side that gains the most ground is victorious. It was a packed house, with about 450 people in attendance. The pre-debate vote found that 25 percent of the audience agreed that socialism was preferable to capitalism, 49.5 percent picked capitalism as the better system, and 25.5 percent were undecided. Despite a technical problem at the event itself, the Soho Forum was able to recover the final vote totals, which saw support for socialism drop by half a percentage point and support for capitalism increase to 71 percent. Produced by John Osterhoudt Photo Credit: Brett Raney

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    @Brogle2884 years ago The thumbnail looks like bernie sanders vs bernie sanders. 12541
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    @pvenoob5 months ago Don' t you just love it when people actually reason? 51
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    @arcticvoid518last year I love how it doesn' t descend into petty name calling- they' re actually talking and progressively arguing. Let' s revel in the importance of discourse. 723
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    @m.e.p.r10 months ago The thing that struck me the most throughout the debate, is how two people with vehemently opposing views, respected each other, actively listened and a lack of civility and the inability to respect a political opponent in this way, is perhaps the greatest threat to modern democracy, politics and freedom of expression we currently face.
    this is what serious people sound like. Very different from our world leaders isnt it?
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    @ninatorres2072last year Loved these gentlemen. The amount of respect they have for each other should be the bad and example for every single debate, specifically when discussing . ...Expand 180
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    @elsebabette17274 months ago Thank you for the informative video. I always prioritize diversifying my investments and never invest my entire savings in one specific type or area. 129
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    @timothynesbitt91484 years ago We were accidentally on purpose not taught economics at school. 7570
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    @phillynurse9492last year So grateful for this mature discourse on a hotly debated topic. I dont recall learning any socialism in hs or college. This was very informative. 178
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    @hikaniko7371last year I once was talking to someone and brought up socialism, myself vouching for it, he basically told me socialism is where everyone gets paid the same n id="hidden4"o matter how hard they work and left the room. But this is the kind of conversation i would like to be allowed to me. ...Expand 645
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    @VV-sn3fhlast year This is how politicians should argue and defend their arguments, not discrediting the other. 16
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    @tychoi235911 months ago This was thought provoking as well as entertaining. As with most things i' m processing questions that i had regarding a lot of what' s been presented always enjoyed listening in on combative debate forums like this. ...Expand 24
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    @darrenwithers36289 months ago The problem with those debates is that half the audience vote for the position they disagree with at the beginning so it looks like the arguments convinced . ...Expand 26
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    @alecgorman46914 years ago This beats watching two 17 year olds duet each other on tiktok. 5426
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    @evilgamer57dhatghuy48last year Listened to this 6 times now. Probably the best debate i have ever heard. 29
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    @steffenjensen422last year What a beautiful debate, nice to see people disagreeing productively. 25
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    @Erihk_last year These are the kind of people that can lead to a productive debate. Something that just does not happen enough in the world today. 37
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    @iSchneeball9 months ago At what is the book he is talking about? I couldn't make out the author :)
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    @joeydoherty3684 years ago Cant tell if anyone in the comments favors capitalism or socialism, just that they dont like the moderator.
    edit: shit 2k likes and 166 relies. Nev . ...Expand 2131
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    @user-zy9sb3dp9y9 months ago What a beautiful debate, nice to see people disagreeing productively. Highly educated professors at their best in their field! Very informative. 16
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    @Maxime_K-G9 months ago I love passionate people open to discussion. My biggest interest has always been thinking about what the best way would be to create a sustainable system . ...Expand 11
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    @ocayapaakera91735 months ago I am from uganda, thanks to the participants for their debate. It has given us a new direction in the reasoning of ideas. 2
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    @michaelmappin1830last year The first person who, having enclosed a plot of land, took it into his head to say this is mine and found people simple enough to believe him was the t - jean-jacques rousseau, the social contract and the discourses - 1762. ...Expand 95
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    @the_dank_kidx738110 months ago I like how instead of the debaters calling each other petty names, they respectively stated their points and argued them out, thats what im interested in! 1
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    @brandonvillatuya95394 years ago A person that sounds like bernie sanders vs a person that looks like bernie sanders. 3088
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    @felixmarx2989last year The respect and clear way both men handle this topic is just amazing to watch! As i see both systems have their up- and downsides. Maybe a oreconomic system is a way to make this work. And transform this further to a state of equality?. ...Expand 29
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    @tobiasschaaf3547last year Love this debate, explained the fundementals of both ideaologies well and discussed relevant examples of how to reach such an ideal. I' m more socialist . ...Expand 92
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    @mr.newhaven5 months ago I can really appreciate a healthy debate and open dialogue. 2
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    @yalxsavage1475last year This was such a fun approach to learning about something extremely complex. 24
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    @ashleyalcaraz68307 months ago Very well done. So thankful to have access to this video. 1
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    @fercojurado99485 years ago Scroll down the comments to see a bunch of people not addressing any arguments made. 5021
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    @kdscanlolast year Losses motivate prudence. Not when our whole fiscal policy revolves around corporate easing and punishing labor. 3
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    @neurologicalworms11 months ago I just love watching everyone fight to get all their thoughts and questions in. 3
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    @mr_hollow856711 months ago I am happy that this is a neutral debate, normaly when you see these type of debates one side is clearly presented as uneducated. 9
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    @Geraldo30034 months ago Great debate from two extremely interesting men, even a terrible moderator who struggled to hide his own bias couldn' t ruin it. 5
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    @dizznation9754last year Was the camera movement the camera man nodding off? No need to move it that much when mans is standing straight right? Credit the lovely bunni for this thought)
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    @bigsmoke88164 years ago don' t let this comment distract you from the fact that mr krabs once sold spongebobs soul for 62 cents. 4342
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    @Flash-pp3cr5 months ago Great debate. I didn' t really like the very last speech since it went back to stereotyping. But besides that it was pretty epic. I learned a lot. 1
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    @nmzamora11 months ago Why is the moderator adding information on behalf of one side? So strange. 2
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    @xelaldaero9339last year Incredible! Where do they teach this in the uni?
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    @hannahmaria68875 months ago Every comment ive read on this comment section refers to the respectful conduct both use throughout the debate. If that doesnt highlight the depth the current political debate system has sunk to, dont know what does. 1
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    @jasonkk80504 years ago I learned what capitalism and communism is only after i graduated high school. 3941
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    @dajuankelley8466last year Libertarian lisum is fine along as it doesn' t lead to civil unrest or a life of crime but when dealing with capital the only criminal threat in a lack of personal debt being.
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    @yasseralsaidi11686 months ago What we all have in common is mistakes or forgetfullness. 1
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    @MoralScienceEducation9 months ago Very interesting debate. Worthy to take your topic to moral science curricula for a-level students.
    in the context of the war most of us personally op . ...Expand 3
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    @TheEmperorofhoi410 months ago Isn' t what wolf described of democratizing the work places as syndicalism? 1
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    @vookudlak14 years ago Moderator " i' m going to be a nazi"
    first person to ask a question " hello i am from germany" lmfao.
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    @lavonnacasey57245 months ago This is what a debate sounds like. The crap we are used to on television is not. 3
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    @DanielKMihalevlast year Instead of focusing on these ideological debates, it can be more productive to focus on specific policies and initiatives that can address the problems . ...Expand 4
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    @nasirmahmood77996 months ago Very aggressive both gentle folks - heard a lot of intriguing change of comments between both speakers. Which is awesome for me that they stood on the same floor for a while.
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    @holly15284 years ago " this moderator was terrible"
    capitalist bootlickers socialists.
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    @Maximums-lifelast year Theres no meaning talk about the phenomenon both of thema better way is to build two modelsand run them. 2
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    @ifwecouldvotelast year Both of them see the same issues with the current system, and the solution would probably be the same. End lobbying for instance, put a cap on spending . ...Expand 4
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    @rinaldirahardja844910 months ago Question: what is the differences between community ownership and stakeholders?
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    @belightar9079last year Respect from china mainland. I was moved that it' s obvious that " each coin has its two sides" this is a classic logic called witch socialism agree with, and you can still talk about it. Now in china you can' t discuss it in public because all lesson on colleges must be recorded. Well, if you don' t care about it you may live a simple and peaceful life. ...Expand 1
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    @mohammedsheriff58216 months ago
    let me appreciate you guys for the time, and the best of luck in advance.
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    @TP-gc8bt3 years ago Imagine if us had a presidential debate this clean. 1696
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    @Ghostthehumanist8 months ago I' ve viewed this a few times now. Listening to these two people discuss these topics has been very enlightening on both sides. And that' s more i' d argue that we need less of gillespie however. As a moderator, or mc, or whatever position he occupied, he was no doubt the most distracting piece of this. And in some points, disrespectful as well. ...Expand 8
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    @Tesfa_Bichalast year See when debate is EDUCATION!!
    you both
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    @arsisfruritch97405 months ago I am an american stay in denmark and i witnessed the life balance they have not like stressful as americans. As a small business owner in america the one . ...Expand 1
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    @mindlessgreen9 months ago Nice debate. Richard talks like a revolutionary. " we want change but we have no concrete plans on how to do that" gene talks about practical . ...Expand 2
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    @olverasonia6 months ago It seems that wolfe believes that all people have the same drive and potential for business, order, management, innovation, etc. 2
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    @cade89864 years ago The moderator thought everyone was there to listen to him. 390
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    @trackhabit82534 months ago This debate goes up with some of the greatest of all time, like thedebates which preceded the american civil war. Abraham lincoln and stephen douglas were very close friends despite having opposite ideologies surrounding slavery, and were respectful of one another even while debating. Incredibly, though he would die only two months later, douglas would switch his affiliations in favor of the union as a result of the united states army surrender at fort sumter. Now allies with his former opponent, douglas even suggested privately to lincoln that instead of sending 75, 0 union troops to suppress the confederate army, he send 200, 0, saying " you do not know the dishonest purposes of these men as i do. " douglas would spend the short remainder of his life rallying support for his former opponent. ...Expand
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    @bruceweaver15188 months ago This forum is the foundation of liberty itself. We now have two different sides of a very important issue. One of the things i grew up with was that communism . ...Expand 5
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    @neilstanley491111 months ago Just because they call it a business cycle doesn' t mean it' s naturally occuring.
    adam smith warned about the nature of business and the smith said business and industry can' t get together for tea and refreshment with out discussion turning to some contrivance to harm the public good and raise prices.
    smith warned specifically against corporations having access to government power
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    @dajuankelley8466last year Social self direction of interprise and how we or one can fully capitalize on it void of the democratic process. Is the question?
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    @giovannib274 years ago What i learned from this: all socialists look like bernie sanders. 2446
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    @MrPhysfin11 months ago People dont change, the motive of self interest is too ingrained in people.
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    @burkeyboy8578 months ago If ever we found a way to make excessive greed haunt a persons soul, politicians and corporations would perhaps be more empathetic to the plight of t id="hidden28"he less fortunate or even the less driven people who put their efforts into things less about power and profit rather investment in god, family and community. Sadly, i feel that those virtues are considered to be weakness in our me first society. ...Expand 8
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    @distorq10 months ago I really wonder what that heckler had to say at
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    @emotionalIntelligence20789 months ago People forget that capitalism is also an ideology and when govt follows its policies based on this ideology- society forgets about the health of the working . ...Expand 2
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    @yasseralsaidi11686 months ago There is not any budget that is properly managed if thats what you want to know?
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    @petersavvas90224 years ago " don' t let school get in the way of your- love it! 705
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    @chad33586 months ago Like most things that are the extreme opposites at the ends of a scale the answer and best solution is probably somewhere in the middle.
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    @lailaknight6620last year I need to be more educated in order to know where i stand in this conversation. But, coming from an ex-communist country, it seems to me that innovation . ...Expand 4
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    @AutoMotivatedTV4 months ago Even if you accept that his rhetoric about the 2 major types of economic groups exist and what they stand for and even how we' re founded, you would . ...Expand
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    @ltsgobrando10 months ago
    I AGREE!!! If we ignore the starvation/death statistics they go away !
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    @djtoxicdhg4 years ago I just wish the rest of the mainstream media had these serious type of debates that way people could be properly educated and have real battles of opinion as opposed to just saying venezuela or taxes. 4396
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    @DanielKMihalevlast year Once we stop debating over beliefs and subjective preferences for ideologies, there would be progress. 1
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    @dimetronomelast year The neoclassical chicago school dominates economics departments at us universities, and economics departments ignore both marxian economics and the austrian . ...Expand 3
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    @keelyjohnson462last year 3156 yes because the federal bureau was already directly linked to the international bureau.
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    @roysmith91494 years ago Need more of theses debates, intelligent people using facts to argue there point and not dummies screaming at each other like monkeys. 3904
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    @QueenOfMud7 months ago The moderator was extremely
    several snarky comments towards prof. Wolff with no chance to address them, and downright rude commenting on the appearance and gender of the questioners.
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    @DanielKMihalev10 months ago Addressing the deep-rooted and complex disagreements between the left and right political ideologies is a challenging task, and it' s essential to recognize title: the comprehensive social progress initiative (cspi)
    step 1: establish a non-partisan committee
    create a non-partisan committee comprising experts, academics, andfrom both left-leaning and right-leaning ideologies. Theobjective will be to draft a comprehensive social progress initiative (cspi) that encompasses the concerns and values of both sides.
    step 2: identify common goals
    the committee will conduct thorough research to identify common goals shared by both left and right ideologies. Examples could include economic prosperity, individual freedoms, social justice, environmentaland national security.
    step 3: define core principles
    based on the common goals identified, the committee will establish a set of core principles that will guide the reform. These principles should reflect the values and aspirations of both left and right while emphasizing cooperation and compromise.
    step 4: rethink economic systems
    one major point of contention is the role of the government in the economy. Instead of arguing for a purely capitalist or socialist approach, the cspi will propose a mixed economic system that promotes free-market competition while ensuring a strong social safety net. This system should support economic growth while providing adequate support to those in need.
    step 5: invest in education and reconciliation
    education plays a crucial role in fostering understanding and empathy between conflicting ideologies. The cspi will advocate for comprehensive educational reforms that teach critical thinking, media literacy, and the value of diverse perspectives. Additionally, initiatives promoting dialogue and reconciliation between different groups should be implemented to heal societal divides.
    step 6: encourage local initiatives
    recognize that different communities have unique needs and preferences. Devolve somepower to local governments, allowing them to implement policies tailored to their specific circumstances while still adhering to the cspi' s core principles.
    step 7: promote evidence-based policies
    both left and right can agree on the importance of evidence-based policies. The cspi will advocate for rigorous research and evaluation of proposed reforms to ensure their effectiveness and efficiency.
    step 8: political campaign finance reform
    to reduce the influence of money in politics, implement comprehensive campaign finance reform that promotes transparency, limits corporate donations, and encourages grassroots fundraising.
    step 9: foster civic engagement
    promote civic engagement and participation in the political process by creating accessible platforms for public input and involvement. Encourage citizens to contribute to policy-making through town halls, citizen assemblies, and participatory budgeting.
    step 10: emphasize long-term thinking
    encourage long-term thinking in policymaking to address issues beyond electoral cycles. Establish a non-partisan body responsible for assessing long-term challenges, such as climate change and automation, and proposing strategies for addressing them.
    it' s crucial to remember that no reform can completely eliminate all disagreements, but the cspi aims to create a framework that respects the diversity of perspectives while seeking common ground for the betterment of society as a whole. The success of such an initiative would depend oncompromise, and a commitment to working together for the greater good.
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    @williamcooper93795 months ago Thing is ultimately socialism communism revolves state or government involvement in your daily life half of what you earn goes to the state property rights . ...Expand 3
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    @keelyjohnson462last year 4316 we wind up fix it where it' s more friendly all the way around so we don' t even have to have all of those discussions we get to chill out.
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    @restoinpresto40253 years ago Pov: you' re here looking for valid arguments and just seeing everyone hate the mod. 831
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    @Jonathan-ds6yj11 months ago Capitalism followed mercantilism, mercantilism ground work was established in the fuedal era with the advent of workers guilds. For a point, ironically these worker guilds literally extorted for their business because no one else knew how to do what they could. That, slavery and plantations are the era of mercantilism. Capitalism is about exchanging goods in a free market, you feel you've won and so do I. It's not even a philosophy really it's just a market practice, like stock trading. Further in a capitalist society you would be able to run a business using "new socialism" Pay everyone what all the workers vote on, vote on what gets produced. I mean the market literally already does the deciding, for example no one makes a fortune selling something no one will buy, because there is no demand. Point is socialism is not as free as capitalism because socialism would not allow capitalism. .. ...Expand 4
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    @littlethuggie4 months ago Not only is wolff completely wrong, but his condescension and general personality is so hard to listen to. 2
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    @inneou955310 months ago The WWII was starts between one socialistic>fashistic>nazis country (trying to conquer the world), one socialistic>comunistic country (trying to conquer the world), one democratic country with the socialist president - Roosevelt (trying to leave the sign in history). and bunch of mainly democratic, at least, non-autocratic countries. also was one east empire (also trying to conquer the word) - tried to slave nearest countries. so at least one of two wars wasn't a product of capitalist economies but imperialistic/socialistic ones .. ...Expand 1
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    @Lakerbeatmaker11 months ago In capitalism, everyone has the option to be their own king or a part of a kings court. 4
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    @NSO824 years ago I' ve never seen a man debate himself before. 641