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SPUNJ emotional about MIBR vs. FURIA: We need to be more responsible with how we use social media
Published 25 Jun 2020
A clip from the HLTV Confirmed show S4E22. SPUNJ's full talk about the MIBR - FURIA situation, the need to do better as idols, and the responsibility we all have with social media. The speech refers to the match between the two teams played on 16th of June, 2020. Watch the episode in full here: /watch/YwfUsUPN6SgNU ➡️ Connect with us: https://twitter.com/HLTVconfirmed 📺 Join the discussion and watch live: https://twitch.tv/HLTVorg 🎧 Listen to audio podcast (Spotify, iTunes, Google): https://anchor.fm/hltv HLTV Confirmed is a CS:GO talk show featuring Chad "SPUNJ" Burchill, Zvonimir "Professeur" Burazin, and Milan "Striker" Švejda, with guest appearances from community members such as GeT_RiGhT, device, Maniac, Pimp, YNk, JW, smooya, seang@res, and more. The show is based around interviews, breakdowns, analysis, and discussions about the esports and casual side of Counter-Strike. https://twitter.com/HLTVconfirmed https://twitter.com/LukasWiinholt https://twitter.com/StrikerHLTVorg https://twitter.com/Professeur_CS https://twitter.com/SPUNJ https://twitter.com/dev1ce #HLTVConfirmed #podcast #csgo
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"It comes to that day that you face your idol in a match , and you expect an autograph , photo or advice or anything else , and you end up being bullied or getting insulted"
Disgrace , fer should be ashamed of himself . For me as an Astralis fan , i used to watch luminosity/sk/mibr games at majors and any other event and I honestly lost respect for them ... 132
There would be no problem of mibr liying cause everyone could see the demo later and see if they really froze or were making excuses to restar the round. ... 10
I thought FER was old enough to understand that but guess not.
Ele falou que o pessoal da mibr foi kid e que tinham que ter resolvido o problema com o coach e os adm, e dps do problema a furia parecia q não tava mais jogando tão bem por causa de hate e os caralha 4.
Foi isso oq eu entendi ...
1- Mibr tried to talk to furia.
2- furia ignored mibr.
3- art said Guerri and Dead were supposed to deal with the admins.
4- Dead and Guerri didn’t communicate.
5- The admins decided there was not going to be a rollback.
6- Now Dead is trying to change to server.
What can anyone on mibr’s side do in the situation they were up until this point? They did what ANYONE would do and in my opinion the right thing, they tried everything, they tried to talk with furia (THEY IGNORED), they tried to talk to the admins (THEY DECLINED THE REQUEST), now the only thing left to do was to use their fanbase to try and put pressure in the org. If you read the tweet fallen did, he was trying to say why he didn’t agree with the rule book and showing how unfair that round was. AFTER he posted that on Twitter, Guerri talked to the admins and they gave mibr the rollback. Let me tell you how I would feel if I were a Mibr player: Disrespected, neglected, and I would feel like they only had considered the rollback because my fanbase put pressure on furia players and org (later we would discover that guerri never watched the video until fallen posted it, he said it was not about the pressure, it was about being fair). So no matter how I look into this, Fallen did the best he could, and if he didn’t post that video, that round would’ve gone the way of furia, probably costing them the map. What happened afterwards: Fer saying all those things about furia players, that’s wrong, that’s irresponsible and unprofessional, what fallen did? The exact same thing I would’ve done, my respect and admiration for fallen just grow by the day. He never insulted furia, he never incited his fans to go trash talk furia, his work ethic is simply untouched, not the same can be said about fer and Kng though, but it REALLY pisses me off how you guys want to put it all on fallen’s shoulder for making the RIGHT call and exposing that video. Shame on fer, shame on the admins, Shame on the managers (both Dead and Guerri, for not communicating), but not on Fallen, you gotta grow up 10 years and build 1% of what he’s done just so you can try and make a case about him being irresponsible. ... 2
When ART killed FER their screen FROZE ALREADY! And ART LIED, saying that he saw fer moving and after killing fer he said he saw another person jumping!
His own coach did interview with GAULES and said that! Art later said the SAME THING! So he lied by being dishonest! Check both clips on that same time, fer never moved, fallen never moved! So they did lie! OF course MIBR could fix in another way, but put yourself in their place.
Everything on line, you're major winners and you have to prove that you are lagging? Every single time a pro say Not Live, nobody doubt the others! ... 3
1 - Not live could only be called after they were not stuck anymore. The damage done before the glitch was 5 damage on FURIA through a mibr HE.
2 - When not lived was called, Furia DID NOT RESPOND, for 5 minutes until they respond that their coach, was dealing with the situation, coach that TOLD their players to DO NOT respond to ANY message in SAY and let him deal with the situation.
3 - FURIA SAID they did not believe at first that MIBR had glitched out and was SAYING THAT when Art killed Fer, he was not stuck. It was fast, so it wasan't noticible.
4 - 10-15 MINUTES AFTER NO RESPONSE FROM GUERRI OR FURIA, Fallen uploaded the video TO PROVE THEY WERE STUCK. So, Furia decided IN AN INSTANT to call restart. After that, on their social media, they tweeted that they were proud of their players for being so honorable and giving the fairplay to MIBR.
5 - After everything stated above, BASED ONLY ON GUERRI(FURIA'S COACH SPEECH), I will sum it up for you in a easy way to understand:
FURIA doubted MIBR, which is OK, its their right to do so, and didn't want to restart the round.
NOTE THAT, before the game, one of FURIA's players was lagging out and MIBR INSTANTLY DECIDED TO CHANGE SERVERS, TO A SERVER THAT WAS MORE LAGGY TO THEN THAN FURIA, so they could play on what would be closer to even terms.
So, after doubting, WHAT THEY DID NOT DO was discuss the situation trough with MIBR coach and kept their silence, leaving it to the judge to decide, which again, not wrong.
THE MAIN ISSUE that was the motive of the whole drama was: Furia not only doubted MIBR, which by their own words, they believed it was a lie, but after restarting the round, through a tweet, tried to make the whole situation with "WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS". That's when MIBR took it personal, before that, everything was cool, they played together every stream, root for each other and support each other the best they could.
If you KNOW portuguese, you can check everything I said in videos, specially GUERRI's speech.
I'm sorry @HLTVorg, but this video here is pure BS. ... 6
You don't play by the book when you see you are in a unfair advantage. That is why we see across every sport people doing the exact opposite of they should do just to make the game fair. You DON'T win at every cost
I would like to see their reactions if this happened to a american team vs a european team.
Hypocrites. ... 6
I don't know about Furia's players having that admiration towards MIBR's players. This "Fallen and Fer are idols to us!" thing is too damn romanticized, you guys are overthinking that part. It may have felt that way for Furia roster in the past, but when they got to know MIBR's players in person, they realized "hey, they're humans just as we are!". Until all this shit happened, they used to play CS together for fun, chat, record videos and whatnot. For instance, HEN1 and his brother, LUCAS1, were part of what Fallen made for Brazil, they too helped pave the road and helped Brazil's scene to grow, hence why I say they're close and don't have that fan-idol relationship, and that's only one example. I think that's what is missing from a lot of people who give their 5 cents about this situation: in the end, believe it or not, they are normal people. And that, being a regular human, is connected to another topic to this situation:
Fallen, Fer, KNGV, TACO, fnx, boltz, (...), come from an era where it all was more... homey? The players all knew each other in tournaments, they themselves were the ones who decided things, it was all a lot less rigid than it is nowadays. And that's the problem. Everything nowadays is so fucking robotic, strict... so lame and tasteless. This side of the internet (and kind of the society too) is just putrid, pure garbage: you no longer is able to express what you feel, to say what you think without ever wondering if it will please everyone, no one cares for the good you do, only the mistakes you eventually commited. Take Fer for example: no one ever talks about how well he treated Meyern, how he made manito feel at home; how he puts a smile in the face of his fans in his streams, how he talks with them; no, they only talk about the few times Fer's explosive personality aligns with certain "sensitive" topics and are interpreted in some wrong way.
So, I don't know if some of you forgot, but I'll remind you just in case: the players are people too, fortunately, not robots (actually, that's where we're going if things keep this way). They too get frustrated, sad, whatever. It's so fucking disgusting to see people expecting them to apologize (they were forced to, at times) when they state what they think/feel on twitter or whatever man... Stop constraining players' personalities, stop forcing them to be the same polite, blond guy with blue eyes...
And last: stop generalizing people. What? Do you think no one can think for themselves? That a mere tweet is going to make up the mind of one's fans? Specificaly in my case, being a brazilian, it offends me that people actually think that, meaning that we are just some ape with an empty mind. People who actually think that are so full of themselves, enjoying looking down on other people, thinking we get influenced over anything. We can think for ourselves! Please, stop believing that 10 brazilian kids who hate and troll in the internet is the entire brazilian fanbase. "lOoK, fEr iS uPsEt aNd sWeRiNg iN HiS sTrEaM, mY gOd, nOw AlL bRaZiLiAnS aRe gOiNg tO sPrEaD hAtE, oH nOoO". Thank you.
TL;DR: fuck off.
=====Versão PT-BR=====
Eu acho que vocês estão esquecnedo de alguns pontos importantes:
Essa parada da Furia ter admiração frente à MIBR não existe mais. Essa parada de "Fallen e Fer são ídolos pra gente!" é muito romantizada, vocês extrapolam essa parte. Pode ter sido assim pra Furia no passado, mas quando eles conheceram o pessoal da MIBR em pessoa, eles perceberam "cara, eles são humanos iguais a gente!". Antes dessa merda toda acontecer, eles costumavam jogar CS juntos de zoeira, conversar, gravar videos, etc. Por exemplo, HEN1 e seu irmão, LUCAS1, fizeram parte do que o Fallen fez pro Brasil, eles também ajudaram a pavimentar a estrada e ajudaram o CS brazileiro a crescer, por isso que digo que eles são próximos e não têm essa relação de fan-ídolo, e isso é um exemplo só. Eu acho que é isso que falta das pessoas que opinam sobre esse acontecido: querendo ou não, eles são pessoas normais. E isso, de ser um humano comum, está interligado com outro tópico desse assunto:
Fallen, Fer, KNGV, TACO, fnx, boltz, (...), vêm de uma era que tudo era mais caseiro. Os jogadores conheciam de torneios, eles mesmos que resolviam as coisas, era tudo menos rígido do que é hoje em dia. E é aí que tá o problema. Hoje em dia é tudo tão robótico, estrito... tudo enjoado e sem graça. Esse lado da internet (e meio que da sociedade também) é pobre, puro lixo: você não mais pode expressar o que você sente, pode dizer o que pensa sem se preocupar se vai agradar a todos, ninguém se importa com o bem que você faz, só com os erros que você eventualmente comete. Tome o Fer como exemplo: ninguém nunca fala sobre como ele tratava bem o Meyern, como que ele fez o manito se sentir em casa; como que ele faz o pessoal da stream sorrir, como que ele fala com os fans; não, só falam sobre as vezes em que sua personalidade explosiva se alinha com uns temas "sensíveis" e são interpretadas de forma errada.
Então, não sei se esqueceram, mas vou lembrar só por precaução: os jogadores são pessoas também, felizmente, não robôs (na real, é pra esse lado que estamos caminhando se as coisas se mantiverem desse jeito). Eles também ficam frustrados, tristes, enfim. É simplesmente nojento ver pessoas esperando que eles se desculpem (são forçados, às vezes) quando dizem algo que pensam/sentem no twitter ou qualquer outra merda. Parem de constringir as personalidades dos jogadores, parem de forçá-los a serem o mesmo cara educado, loiro de olhos azuis...
E por fim: parem de generalizar as pessoas. O quê? Acham que ninguém é capaz de pensar sozinho? Que um mero tweet vai fazer a cabeça de todos os fans? [...Parte destinada ao público internacional...]. Parem de achar que 10 crianças que saem hateando e trolando na internet representam a fanbase brasileira. "oLhA, o fEr tÁ pUtO xInGaNdO nA sTrEaM, mEu dEuS, AgOrA tOdOs oS fAnS vÃo eSpAlHaR o ÓdIO, nÃoOo". Obrigado. ... 10
They just try get advantage behind everyone, and that is it, if you think is not, you dont respect the fair play like us or dont know nothing what hepened likes Spunj :/ ... 1
You guys don't know the amount of bullying I received in internacional fóruns, just because I'm from Brasil, I have been called a monkey a hundred times. Just because a few brasilians said sheet on Twitter. You don't understand Portuguese, you don't know what Gaules and the majority of Brasil csgo fans are saying. Gaules is against hate, and trash talk, but he really thinks Leaf cheated, and he will stand up for this, like everyone in Brasil. ... 2